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#1 Robert Fleurke

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 11:55 AM

Quali went smooth with 4 sub27 laps, even though in my potentially best lap screwed up last sector...could have/should have been a low 26...

Despite my start wasn't great, still held on to the lead, which was key ofcourse. I was fairly confident pulling a little gap early race to Roy. But on lap 1 Roy touched the barrier at the chicane and a multicar wreck followed. A lot of damage and again 2 early innocent DNFs for both Ed and Michiel. Heartbreak guys :( Maybe we should race the normal Monaco next time, since this chicane always claims innocent victims, but I digress.

Drove well and cautiously, the tires got even too cold. Didn't hit a barrier, and took no risks with lapping. Took care of the engine and gearbox shortshifting. Then going into the final turn on Lap 16, while coasting, the engine went. Header failure. Very disappointing. Clearly my race to lose, had more than 30s  gap, due to the Lap 1 crash. It seems all the good luck is catching up with me last 2 races. That said, was using 4 gears, and 3rd and 4th were on the edge redlining. I might have spiked the engine unwantedly, and unknowingly. Whole week never had a failure with these settings, and the engine ran very cool for the F312...

Stayed on the server to watch the race unfolding. Saw Enrique crashing in the chicane with Michael having nowhere to go. Both DNFs.

Congrats to Yannick keeping his head cool, and earning his first oAo D1 victory! Well deserved, and it was coming. Great job :) Also saw Roy driving a great recovery race back to P2 passing Iestyn late race. Well done guys!

edit: forgot to mention Frank's P4. After I had to retire, he made sure to get a finish. Greatest of teamdrivers, and BTW still leading the driver championship! ;)

Good job finishers, commiserations to the retirements, in particular Ed and Michiel on Lap 1 ;)

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 12:03 PM

That I'm aware of, three D1 drivers need a kick in the ass.  One on the first lap off the grid and later compounding offences with an unsafe rejoin on Lap10.  You'll be hearing about this.  The second driver for a pointless overtake on the last lap.  The third being me for shunting in the chicane mid-race.

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 01:28 PM

I wasn't please to be hit from behind after carefully slowing for stopped cars ahead on lap 1 at Mirabeau. I think that the usual practice is to let the car re-pass when you've caused an off like that, but I'm not certain.

Looking at the replay, it amazes me that so many of the cars involved in lap 1 tangles were able to continue, even though some of them even flipped. I pretty much finished where I expected with luck involved (for me) that there were some retirements ahead.
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Posted 06 April 2019 - 02:04 PM

I was very happy with my Q lap for 3rd on the grid, just enough to stay ahead of Michiel and Yannick. Start felt quite hairy even though I was in a relatively safe spot. I knew Yannick was faster, and he tapped me in the station hairpin on lap 1. I took it a bit easy going in to the chicane, but was still too fast/out of control to avoid Roy and did a flip, luckily being able to continue. I was now behind Enrique, in 3rd, after passing Miele exiting the hairpin.

Enrique had good pace and, taking it a little easy again, I could not get close enough to try and pass when he made one or two small errors. Yannick roared up behind and passed me into Tabac, after again bumping me at Station hairpin, where I was a bit too slow and wide once more (and he waited for me to get going again from the half-spin :thumbs:). He passed Enrique soon after with a switchback at Gazometres. I closed up and tried to do the same, but I think Enrique thought I would go around the outside and I bumped him in the side.

After Rob went out, and Enrique hit the chicane (I could just get through with a bit of haybale, Michael behind was not so lucky). This left Yannick, me and a fast closing Roy battling for the podium places. I tried to speed up the best I could, but didn't have enough to gain and Roy also passed me into Tabac, setting off after Yannick.

In retrospect, I could have tried to defend both places, to have a better chance for the win, but that would have been risky; I could have been overtaken on the switchback into Gazometres or St. Devote anyway. To have tried to hold behind a faster Yannick and Roy for 20+ and 10 laps might have been a recipe for disaster, especially if we all followed straight into Enrique at the chicane. If I had passed him early on, that would have been my best chance, but I simply didn't have the race pace and was cautious to bring the car home at all costs.

Congrats to Yannick, I knew it would come soon but not quite that quickly! I expected to be behind two Dutch drivers today, in a Ferrari and Lotus, but the result was a bit different than I imagined! Unlucky Rob and grats to all finishers here. Another tough track coming up now in Sachsenring. :spiteful:
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Posted 06 April 2019 - 02:09 PM

Hats off to Yannick for bagging his first oAo D1 win! Well done. Grats to Roy and Iestyn on the podium.

This was a strange and confusing race with some disturbing elements in the background. Start at P12 was as expected I suppose , the white whale doesnt feel very nimble on a track like this. I somehow mangaged to escape the initial carnage unscaved and came out behind and then eventually ahead of Michi and John in P8. Michi was all over me for many laps and I thought the green car behind him was John , turns out it was Roy. I didnt catch who got tangled in the mess at the start so when I saw it was a Lotus I thought I was being lapped and just let Roy by without a fight , "that was a bit quick to be lapped" it struck me until I realised he was coming up from the back.. doh!

So in P9 it was back to trying to hold Michi off with John trailing behind him. Michi spun and John took over applying the pressure. It was going ok until I noticed the oil temp was way above 100 C and the whale was close to exploding. So I had to shortshift and ease up on the downshift to cool the engine whilst trying to keep John at bay at the same time. That worked for a while but I could tell John was having none of this engine saving nonsense and he eventually caught me out of the chicane with a dive down the inside into the next turn. But then it looked like he spun but somehow he didnt so I thought for a sec I was passed again but all of sudden there he was on the inside towards the last hairpin and a ferrari snuck up on the other side that I didnt know was there as well so I got a little spooked for a sec. Think that was Yannick lapping me. All this time I never looked at the pit board so I thought I was running P9 but somehow I was P6 before John overtook me , not knowing this I relinquished another couple of places until I realised where I actually was in the field. 2nd doh! More mayhem brought me to P8 but I was way out of focus and rythm and eventually gave up position to Michi who deserved that on the day. Eventually fell over the line in P9 , man , what a track.

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 02:09 PM

PS. Rob - now that I think about it, I remember once here having a race (probably UKGPL) where I was so gentle on the engine with a lot of big short shifting that it just gave out in a similar manner - I think the engine being too cool might actually be a factor :wounded1:
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Posted 06 April 2019 - 02:19 PM

Do any of you know if back pressure is modelled in GPL?

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 02:23 PM

PPS. I don't know if anyone was brave enough to take on water at this track, but I managed to do so at two places, after a shoft shift up to Massenet and coming out of the tunnel! :sweatdrop: No wonder I was so slow on the chicane exit.. :Eyecrazy:
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Posted 06 April 2019 - 02:43 PM

i am more than a little shocked at the debris on track after everyone went home :o
14 of 18 cars suffered - and some damage went unreported as i'm not sure if R/A tracks lap 1 damages :P

still... for D1.. the upper of oAo two Divisions, that is hard to understand  :(

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 03:31 PM

View PostDonnie Yourth, on 06 April 2019 - 12:03 PM, said:

That I'm aware of, three D1 drivers need a kick in the ass.  One on the first lap off the grid and later compounding offences with an unsafe rejoin on Lap10.  You'll be hearing about this.

That would be me then. As for the start, the car in front off me was slow off the line and you closed the left lane so I went the other side. We never said the pits were off limit and I wasn't about to waste momentum on a track where track position is as important as here.

As for the second part I'll leave that up to Bob if you want to take it there. I was in the middle of the track, facing the wrong way behind the apex of a blind corner with cars spread out around the circuit. So I tried to get out of that position as fast as possible. I'm sorry it involved three or four cars in the end, but I thought it be safer then wait for cars to arrive with me blocking the track even if there is a waved yellow in front of the corner.


Moving on to the race, the Cooper with it's horrible brake performance is no joy to drive around here. I was surprised I could take the fight to Dag even with a wounded car. Start went well managed to grab a bunch of places on the way to the first turn. With a good exit out of Casino that set me alongside John down the hill who must have missed the car on his inside going into Mirabeau as he went for the apex regardless. Made it through that mess unscathed and when I arrived at the chicane I already found cars strewn everywhere so I was able to pick my path through it without too much trouble. Just to pick the inner lane at the final turn which a Ferrari had stopped at. That's most of the spots gained gone again.

As Dag mentioned I was putting pressure on him, but bar an early unintentional dive I didn't trust the car to be able to outbreak him down the hill where I had the chance. I kept close until Roy got a good exit out of Casino and I let him through into the next corner. In the back of my mind I hoped Roy would play lockpick for me, but to my disappointment Dag let him through without much hassle.

I then proceeded to loose my rear coming out of Tabac, leading to the fracas outlined in the second paragraph. To be honest this should have been the end for my race because an F1 car isn't designed to do kickflips as luck would have it the damage was minimal from where i was sitting. With a clear track ahead I set off to catch up with Dag again. Quick wave to Rob as he lapped me and promptly retired half a lap later.

Just as I was waved by by Dag, I looped it coming out of the Station hairpin. Incredulous I rolled backwards down the hill with Dag and two Ferraris passing me again. Managed to claim Dags spot in the end. Could've done without the two spins but happy to have finished a race.
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Posted 06 April 2019 - 03:56 PM

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 05:58 PM

I had no intention of racing here due to personal issues but with no real practice I found myself at a loose end 10 minutes before the race start so decided to join.

I learned 2 things (Well one thing twice to be honest).

Lap 1, My 2 year old grandson came in with his dad to watch a bit of the race and make all the appropriate brnbrm noises. Suddenly without warning approaching the brow of the hill before the chicane he grabbed the gear shifter and stuffed it into 1st. This spun the Brabham 180 degrees and I bounced off various bits of track furniture before continuing only to find the mayhem  on the run down to Tabac. Picked my way through and settled into the race having picked up a few places. Lost 2 places in quick succession to Dag and Michi. Was suddenly surprised to find Roy harrowing me. 1st thought was he was lapping me until a quick glance at Prib showed otherwise. But either way a suitable place to let him past was quickly identified and he was on his way, dragging me back up to Michi and Dag. We all circulated in close proximity I felt I was faster than the lap times we were posting and eventually Michi lost the rear and I was through onto Dag's tail, Tried everything I could to find a place to pass, The Honda was very slow through the chicane but back up to speed very quickly for the run down to Tabac. Eventually I dive bombed him into Tabac after he had a particularly slow exit from the chicane. As he mentioned I made a complete hash of Tabac and got very sideways but somehow hauled it back. Then it was a race down to the hairpin. Once through I was able to pull out a gap and watch for the leaders. 1st was Rob who suddenly disappeared when his engine blew before he could lap me and then Yannick, Iestyn and finally Roy.

By this time we were down to about 12 to go and I was able to maintain a decent gap back to Marcos (I think) with Tris some 10s ahead. Now running in 6th and feeling pretty good when Grandson reappeared and yes you've guessed it after watching quietly for a few laps did exactly the same thing again on the run down to the hairpin. This time I wasn't so lucky losing a wheel and race over.  Apologies to my team mates for the damage to the Brabham, said grandson will pay for it out of his allowance.

Sorry about the misunderstanding at Mirabeau Michi, My fault. I just didn't see you.  

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Posted 06 April 2019 - 07:52 PM

I took advantage of the disaster that there was in the chicane in the lap 1 and I could place myself 2, later it was only to defend myself, but I killed myself, in the lap 18 and in passing it went with me, michael lowery, I'm  so sorry michael very much,
  I tried to get the car out to make way, because I was at a fatal point, and not reach .... a thousand apologies, I actually feel very bad .....
    
  P-D -By the way, yannick, nice surpass you made me, you knew what trajectory I was going to go.....
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Posted 07 April 2019 - 06:44 AM

Well I know I am from the land Downunder and thats the way I saw Monaco! Qualy only got 2 laps layed and Slow up at the last hairpin from a spun Ferrari, got a tiny little bump from a Brabham and over went the white whale like a turtle on his back, seeing Monaco upside down. Race lap1 halve a lap in and once again slowing to a stop after the track was blocked due a big crash. Got taped from behind and again back on my tin lid, looking at the track upside down. I managed just 2q laps and 1/2 a race lap. It wasn't ment to be.
2nd race in the Honda not being able to complete 1 race lap and both time found myself like a bat. I like driving this car once used to it can be fun, Thats motor racing for you.
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Congratulate to Yannick for his 1st win
Roy its hard enough driving a straight car around here let aloan a 3/4 damaged one 2nd too Awsome mate
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Posted 07 April 2019 - 03:10 PM

As usual I watched the race with great excitement. I expect a crashfest next Saturday but having watched la creme de la creme with many losses as well makes me even more pessimistic about my expensive car... :wounded1:  Honestly I prefer proper racetracks. I also don't mind missing the races at Monte Carlo of todays F1. There is only one good thing: Mistakes are punished (bring back gravel traps!).

But I have to admit it was very entertaining. Robert was very dominant and unlucky. I am often watching my team members and cheering for them. And I was wondering about John. But having read about his grandson feeling responsible for the geershifting made me laugh. What a funny situation... Well maybe it is because I am a father as well I don't take it so serious. :)
Yannick was very impressive. How he kept his cool. Especially in the end when Roy was storming through the field and having to lap back markers that must have put huge pressure on you.
The last lap I was nail biting. With two slower cars in front... Congrats Yannick. And thank you for the great video. That sums it up very good and reasonable :beerchug:
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Posted 07 April 2019 - 03:26 PM

View PostRudolf Goertz, on 07 April 2019 - 03:10 PM, said:

PS Are you using ccm? And if you do so which Windows? I have Windows 10 and it does not work.
I run Windows 10, but the old CCM doesn't support it anymore.
Lee has made a new version which goes via GEM+2.
It is a little limited compared to the old program but I can work with it.
It would be great if I could work with the old CCM, though, and exploit my potentials :)

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Posted 07 April 2019 - 04:35 PM

Hi guys!

Qual didn't go as planned... couldn't drive into the 26's because of much traffic and some minor mistakes.
My pb was 26:29 so i was exualy really trying to get pole but it didn't happen.

Start also didn't go as planned because of a little bit too much wheelspin to catch Rob before T1.
The practice start before the race i hade a really good start with full fuel but it didn't happen when it really matters.
Anyhow i knew that i hade a great pace so i was exualy trying to stay with Rob the first lap.
I didn't want to risk too much so i hade already in my mind to find a good rhythm and stay out of trouble.
I drove very carefully "because of cold tires and full fuel" but still to my surprice i did make a small error while braking before the chicane
and hit or tapped the right barrier which resulted in a big mess.
There where cars everywhere and i believe my heart stopped right there because of the thing where i was afraid of happend to me.
I don't know what to say... I feel bad guys especially to Ed and Michiel i want to say that i am truly sorry to everyone who suffered because of this!!!

To my surprice my car was still drivable after the big mess but didn't know on which place i drove and after start/finish i saw that i was 15th.
From that point i drove really good and make some great passes but i have to say that many other drivers let me through very easily.
My best move of the day was to pass Iestyn for 2nd place after the chicane, a bit risky but that was a great pass.  
Still i can't believe that i drove from 15th to 2nd place on Monacane only with 7 sec from the leader! Wow sometimes i surprice even myself :)

For me this is a race with two sides, on one side i feel really bad what happend and i am truly sorry for what happend on the first lap.
On the other side i drove the race of my life, this was a race with a little bit of everything, i just did the best i could to minimize the damage.

Congratulation Yannick on your "first" 1st place, i am sure more will come if you keep going like this!
Grats Iestyn for his podium!

Again sorry to everyone... especially Ed and Michiel!!!

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 03:55 AM

Hola everyone!

Apologies Bob for hitting you on 1st lap.

After i hit you, Marcos hit me sending me flying over you and landing in the right direction and ready to go but did not notice you could continue after a couple of laps. On lap 10 i think I made a bad choice when trying to avoid an accident. i went left thinking that cars involved would move right, but it all went wrong and got stock giving my position to Marcos. You gain on me and by then i decided to gave you back the position knowing you where still on the race. I know i would not have give the position back if i did not get stock, but since it happened that way i thought that it would be the least i could do. Apologies
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Also apologies to Dag. i Did not feel on my wheel i touch you until i saw the replay and saw i made you spin.  

I had a great time in my 1st time race at Monacane. I wish i ve been more carful with Bob and Dag, i ll try not to happen again.

Grats to Yannick, Roy and Iestyn.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 05:34 AM

I dont think that was me Carlos , maybe it was Doni. No worries.

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Posted 08 April 2019 - 08:27 AM

From the moment I took to the track on Saturday morning, I felt out of sorts. No reason I can think of. I trained well. I slept well. But somehow the car and my controller felt different. I had lots of trouble finding a good rhythm. Unfortunately I carried that "dissonance" (for lack of a better word) into qualifying, where I set a grid time almost 7/10s behind my personal best in the Brabham. Seven-tenths of a second at a place like this is an enormous gap, but weirdly it didn't hurt me too much on this day. I qualified 6th -- not good, especially for someone who had realistic aspirations for a top-4 grid position, but not nearly as bad as 7/10s off the pace should demand. If I had matched my PB, then I would have qualified ahead of Yannick in 5th. But truth be told, he must have suffered his own difficulties in qualifying, because I know he can turn much faster laps than his grid time, too. So honestly, 6th was a pretty just place for me to start.

On Lap 1, I made a clean getaway and held station all the way to The Chicane where, ahead of me a single mistake triggered a chain reaction in which I got caught up. Remarkably, although delayed by the incident, not only was I able to continue, but I made up one position in the melee. I briefly dropped back to 6th, then ultimately moved up to 4th, trying all the while to find the rhythm that had eluded me since I got out of bed. My car was damaged in the Lap 1 chaos, but I couldn't feel anything specifically wrong with it. I knew I wasn't as fast as I could have been, but at least I was driving cleanly. And I was more-or-less keeping up with Iestyn in 3rd. Perhaps in spite of everything, a podium finish wasn't out of the question.

Finally, by about Lap 14 things were beginning to click. On Lap 16 I set my fastest race lap yet. But then on Lap 17, disaster struck. Enrique, who was running 2nd (approximately 1s ahead of Iestyn, who was running about 1s ahead of me), made a mistake that placed his car in a position that basically plugged the gap in The Chicane. Iestyn somehow squeaked through the narrow gap. I wasn't so lucky. Unable to stop or alter my line, in fact barely able to slow at all, I aimed for the same gap through which Iestyn had barely passed. But instead I hit Enrique pretty squarely. Wrong place, wrong time for both of us. Just very unlucky.

The resulting crash catapulted both Enrique's and my cars upside down and ended our races. That's the bad news. The good news is that we both had the benefit of hitting the Escape button and getting on with our day. In 1967, Lorenzo Bandini wasn't so lucky, ending up instead being burned to death in his overturned car at that very same chicane. It's necessary to keep these things in perspective....

So it was a disappointing day. I had hoped for much better. Despite the difficulties, had my fate been entirely in my own hands, I believe that the day would have been much better. But racing is often not that way.

Sincere congratulations to Yannick on his first oAo victory! After numerous disappointments, including a few untimely disconnects, everything broke your way at Monaco. I am very happy for you.

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