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#1 zzbusch1

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Posted 10 January 2020 - 01:10 PM

I found this video that was done on January 1st. It's a drone lap of the "improvements" to the track. I really, really hope this doesn't ruin a perfectly good track. I think it was fine the way it was, and did not need these "improvements".

The changes I really don't like are to Tarzan, Hugenholtzbocht, and Arie Luyendiijkbocht.  Hugenholtzbocht is a classic turn, or was until now.

https://www.youtube....h?v=XiOeWgX1glU

I hope this is not another example of F1 ruining a track.
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#2 Robert Fleurke

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Posted 10 January 2020 - 02:29 PM

The old layout until 1985 was the best. I think the changes they make were mandatory for holding the race, mostly making the track wider. Actually the late Charlie Whiting  suggested for banked turns, especially the Luyendyk corner. Hopefully Tarzan and Hugenholtz corner keep their charcateristics. Might be two lines there. Also still the best parts remain, like Hunzerug and the superfast Scheivlak.

I'd say the track will improve on it, but still the main straight is quite short  in current config. The only option to pass might be towards Tarzan corner. But I might be wrong and it will be an interesting race. There are some factors like wind and sand as well.

Surely it will be a big orange party, but the race could be boring.

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Posted 10 January 2020 - 02:31 PM

May be an interesting read:
https://www.motorspo...4644194/?nrt=54
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Posted 10 January 2020 - 02:40 PM

I think a lot of the changes made on the circuits is to make it more up-to-date to some safety standards but also to improve racing.

The pit exit is actually right before the Tarzanbocht which is not ideal and potentially dangerous.
That will be moved to the exit of Turn 1. I think the turns Tarzanbocht and Hugenholtzbocht will keep most of its character.
The gravel trap will remain mostly intact, just an escape route on the outside.
I believe the biggest change is that they get more banking so multiple lines are possible.

As for the Arie Luyendykbocht, I for one am actually pretty thrilled by it.
It will be a very unique turn on the Formula One calendar, and I hope it will carry an exciting reputation with it in the future.
Not only that, I think it really adds to the homage to Arie Luyendyk, being banked 18 degrees.
But the main function is to make sure it is usable with DRS open in an attempt to improve overtaking chances, which are very slim in today's machines.

I'll say this: I think  -though the drivers will love the circuit- the 2020 race will be fairly dull, so I do not have high expectations.
I look forward to the 2021 rule changes and hope that with that the circuit will also bloom with exciting races.

Here is a hotlap of a projected version of the track.

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Posted 11 January 2020 - 05:14 PM

Did they change Tarzan? Last I heard that was just repaving and extension of the gravelbed. Hugenholtz looks insane with the banking. On the final corner I withhold my judgement until there is some pavement put down. Summa summarum the main problem was and still is the golf course.
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Posted 11 January 2020 - 09:08 PM

one element i saw was the 'potential' for a chicane ...further neutering a good layout.  maybe its an alternate layout, or escape road..just after Hunserbocht... but it reminded me of Monza :(
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Posted 12 January 2020 - 03:08 PM

IIRC that's just the rejoinder from the Club circuit, they can run it as a chicane but I've not seen it being depicted as such in any renderings. Most changes are to the final corner and the Hugenholz section in them.
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Posted 18 January 2020 - 01:09 PM

Bit more on the changes to the circuit

https://www.youtube....h?v=YEY2CT1YlJ8

If Grindbak means graveltrap I'm cautiously optimistic.
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Posted 19 January 2020 - 05:53 AM

Yes, grindbak mean graveltrap ;)

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Posted 26 January 2020 - 12:46 PM

Yes, agreed with most here, I think watching the cars here and to drive will be fun, especially Scheivlak in qually will be spectacular for sure. The race with need either the spring rain-sun-rain chaos that often does show up that time of year, or the wind blowing sand across the track, causing tyre wear to increase and strategies to go in the bin as well hopefully. We shall see :)
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Posted 27 January 2020 - 10:17 AM

How many here are going to the race?
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Posted 27 January 2020 - 08:52 PM

View PostEFulghum, on 27 January 2020 - 10:17 AM, said:

How many here are going to the race?

All of them, from what I heard the lottery for the tickets was at least triple the venue capacity.
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Posted 29 January 2020 - 11:29 AM

I'm not going to the race, I'm going to watch TV :)

I can imagine the chaos that will unfold that weekend. Even normal race events were already very chaotic with 80,000 visitors. One train track, one road, lol. They encourage visitors to come with bicycle :P

If it were held at Assen, then I would have opted to go. Closeby and better infrastructure.

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 10:47 AM

First layer of tarmac for the banking has been layed.

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Posted 24 February 2020 - 10:36 AM

That was very enjoyable :P
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Posted 28 February 2020 - 03:39 AM

First onboard of the new circuit

https://www.youtube....h?v=dvyeP9kOaRc
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Posted 28 February 2020 - 05:59 AM

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Posted 04 March 2020 - 12:48 PM

First lap by Max in a RB8

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Posted 04 March 2020 - 03:52 PM

Nice thank you Robert.

It looks like a very easy lap. I don't mean he took it easy, it's too easy. The changes they made don't look like it's a challenge anymore. Turn 12- 13 don't look like the tight right left it was. Hugenholtz looks banked more then it was, too easy to get through. Turns 9,10, 11 don't seem like a challenge. DRS had better be open coming out of T14 to make T1 the passing zone I think they want.

I know this sounds harsh, but I don't think they needed to make the changes they did. Runoff areas, I'm ok with, the track shouldn't have been changed to suit F1. I hope I'm wrong and the race is great, but I fear it's not a challenge anymore.

I'm a "this is the track, you figure out how to get your car to run on it" kind of guy.  Not a "this my car, your alter your track for me" kind of guy.
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Posted 04 March 2020 - 05:01 PM

Personally I'm still annoyed they built a bungalow park in the 80's at the backside of the track, removing the old lay-out. :P

Imagine the old lay-out, with a longer straight as well :)




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